hydrolic retracts

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Arthur Fielding
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hydrolic retracts

Postby Arthur Fielding » September 5th, 2013, 8:27 pm

Could any one please tell if it is possible to convert an air up/down system to with work hydrolic oil and if so where can i get the parts required.Gettihg fed up with air leaks and unreliable gear operation.I know that the will always be those of you that have never had a problem with air systems ,but lots of people i know have ,the system i use is good british make but still has its off days,The model being rebuilt is a Brain Taylor Thunderbolt which flys a treet but got its self brocken when only one wheel came down on landing
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Re: hydrolic retracts

Postby Phil Clark » September 5th, 2013, 9:48 pm

If a system leaks air, then it will leak oil (and make far more mess doing so) so hydraulic will be no more reliable.

Most air leaks are down to inferior quality fittings ('T' pieces and wing to fuselage quick disconnect fittings usually) plus lack of maintenance. No air system is fit & forget......(when was the last time the internal seals of your air rams were lubricated for instance?)

Also, installation plays a BIG part......

Are the ends of all your air lines cut nice & square not just chopped with a pair of scissors?

Are all lines pushed FULLY home onto the barbed nipples?

If you ever remove an airline from a nipple, do you simply replace the same line, or do you cut 1/4" off the end to use a fresh piece of line?

Airline stretches as you push it onto the nipple, so replacing a 'used' end will give a loose fit which is prone to leak. Never re-use airline.....always either cut the end off, or replace the whole line.

Does your spool valve travel fully end stop to end stop? Some valves will leak if they are short on travel.

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Re: hydrolic retracts

Postby Alan King » September 6th, 2013, 11:09 am

the simple answer is that you can convert an air cylinder to run on a fluid, the choice of fluid is important, but as said any leak will in fact be worse due to oil leaking in fuselage with possible severe side effects such as CG issues ( small amount of fluid can cause exciting problems particularly when flowing in the tail area or a bit of fluid in a receiver can of course cause complete loss of control an easier solution may be to use an onboard air compressor such as a lightweight conversion of an off the shelf car pump, this works if you have the capacity to carry the weight.

the next best solution after air is electric and in fact some swear by it, i personally prefer air units but plumbing is crucial, i would go so far as to say buy better quality air fittings and adapt these for use.

I too have looked at hydraulic systems for retracts and in fact run cylinders on glycerine which acts as a lubricant and oil in one, the issue is the plumbing and oil tank besides an effective pump. the other really good alternative is air up spring down which is quite easy to do even to air up and down systems, a spring in the right place can get the gear down if the puff fails, of course off the shelf air up spring down systems do exist.

so the perils of hydraulic are leaks, failures, oil loss, air in oil and pumps the merits are more accurate and scale operation but this can be achieved through other means so the simple answer is keep it simple and check more often, just as you would if flying a full size aircraft or look at spring down system.


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