Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 8th, 2020, 10:16 am

I like the systems side of things and always enjoy this part of any installation but before I start on the electronics I had to accept that no matter how hard I try water will find it’s way in. This maybe from wet hands while servicing, seals below the waterline or spray getting inside the hatch seals, either way it’s worth protecting the electronics. If I accept that it could get wet inside then all the electronics have to be splash proof so I designed splash proof boxes to protect the electronics. These are 3D printed SLS items with an O-ring seal and perspex lid. Below are some images from the CAD work I did…

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I have provided cooling for the CB400 and pneumatic boxes which will maintain these areas at ambient. Tests with the equipment in the centre fuselage show an increase above ambient of 10 degrees which is well within the operating range of the electronics so I decided not to include cooling in these areas. We’re well within a decent safety margin if operating the aircraft in temperatures that don’t exceed 40°C/104°F

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Steve Perry » September 8th, 2020, 11:10 pm

Will you be installing any form of bilge pump ?
Another thought is will you be adding any "buoyancy", typically large pieces of expanded polystyrene sufficient to stop it sinking should the worst happen ?

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 9th, 2020, 8:42 am

Hi Steve,

The bilge pump is a good idea and I suspect I'll end up fitting one. I've been experimenting with various pumps for one of our other projects and have found car screen washer pumps work well.

I started the main installation by removing everything from the engine test stand and installing this into place inside the fuselage. I used new Festo 6mm tubing but other than that everything is exactly as it was on the stand. All the associated turbine wiring was run through the fuselage. In the CAD images above you can see the carbon tubes that tie the formers together, these are 18mm tubes and also act as conduits for the wiring. Before going to the effort of making everything neat the turbine electronics were all tested to ensure everything worked as expected. I have two Digitech CTU’s on each turbine which have already proved to be very useful.

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It’s then just a matter of running all the other wires, this took some time….

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 10th, 2020, 7:53 am

With all the electrics in the aft section tested and working as planned I can make things a little neater. In the electronics box just forward of the hoist point we have a Jeti REX7A receiver, after burner light ring control, hull lights control and battery to power these lights. Ignore how the antennas are placed as these will eventually be correctly polarised and poke outside the box. Further aft (not pictured) we have a Jet RSAT 900 with the antennas placed on either side of the hull.

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The turbine electronics have their own individual boxes with the ECU and CTU inside. The Deans connection is just temporary and I will be replacing these with IC5 connectors which are more suitable for anything with the possibility of getting wet. They have proved to be excellent on my Son’s RC cars.

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One last test of all the electronics and peumatics before I split the fuselage to work on the electrical connection splits. There are twenty cables running through to the front which need to be easy to connect, secure and splash proof.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Dave Kellett » September 11th, 2020, 6:45 am

Hi Alex
Can you tell me please what are the 2 cylinders that are in picture 3rd from bottom. One on top of the other approx 10 cms in diameter.
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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 11th, 2020, 10:07 am

Hi Dave,

These are the fuel air traps, one for each fuel system.

With the fuselage split I can get on with what seems to be a never ending list of jobs for the back end. Starting with the auxiliary air intakes. These are prototypical in that they do feed into the main intake. They remain open until the aircraft is >15kts and >60% thrust, when these conditions are met they close. These aren’t required from an operational point of view so are purely a scale feature although a little extra intake area won’t hurt. We expect this model to be relatively slow in the water at high power settings until the skis un-port and then get up onto the plane. We will play around with the close settings so it looks nice and scale during the takeoff run.

The intakes are constructed from various 3d printed components using SLA and SLS printing along with carbon hinges and actuators connected to some small MKS servos mounted at the top of the housing.

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A video showing their operation during a dry fit before we had the model painted.

https://youtu.be/AhWylmR1rjI

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 14th, 2020, 9:17 am

The intakes have been causing me a headache as they are very difficult to remove. They also require the turbines to be removed which very quickly got on my nerves. During the build these need to be installed and removed frequently which wasn’t time efficient and more importantly I need to push forward the intake just in-front of the turbine to get the vertical stabiliser bolt in place. With all this in mind I decided to split the intake again over the tank hatch. This allows me to easily remove the intakes and easily maintain the fuel tanks and ski actuators without spending hours removing all the intake system.

I made some 3D printed intake rings with a seal grove and split the forward intake as shown.

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Now its just a matter of removing these bolts on this section and I can access everything I need quickly. While at the lake I only have to do one side to facilitate the installation of the vertical stabiliser which speeds things up dramatically.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 16th, 2020, 9:23 am

The tail wheel on the SeaDart was a castor so it could be easily manoeuvred by ground crew while on its beaching gear. I decided to make a fixed version as this could be easily integrated into the structure. The beaching gear wheels are located forward of the CG so it does have to takes its fair share of the load.

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3mm carbon was used to tie the wheel into the keel beam.

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Slotted over this carbon structure is a carbon composite pre-preg fairing bonded in place.

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The wheel is Aluminium with a 3D printed tyre running on a Stainless Steel shaft on Phosphor Bronze bushings. On top of this we made 3D printed fairing that simulates the look of the castor fairing.

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With a working tailwheel we can have the aircraft on the scale beaching gear and in theory it can move down a slip way into the water under its own power. Like the real one there will need to be a rope attached to the beaching gear so it can enter the water at a sensible speed.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Dave Kellett » September 17th, 2020, 7:14 am

Hi Alex,
Yet again some fabulous detailed photographs and text about this amazing project, what concerns me tho is that, you mention that it will be in theory be able to enter the water under it's own power, if that is the case then, that means we are all going to be denied seeing Phil Clark with his shoes / socks off, and trousers rolled up and holding the pointy end into the water. :cry: :lol: :lol:
Once again thanks for this latest information

Dave

PS
Stay safe and keep smiling Phil.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 17th, 2020, 10:12 am

Don't worry Dave we can always give him a push if it comes to it! :)

While things are easy to access I tested the fuel systems on both tanks. It’s a good opportunity to check for any small leaks, it beds the pumps down especially as they can run at full thrust voltage and lastly I can fine tune the pump factors so the fuel state telemetry is accurate. It is not always necessary on models to do this as access is easy and it’s not a big job to change things although this isn’t the case in this instance. Usually leaks appear at higher voltages and if you’ve purchased a used turbine pay close attention to the barbs on the pumps as people like to cut tubing off with a scalpel. This often leaves very small indents on the barb ridges and it will leak on thrust setting above idle.

Following the theme of splash proofing anything electrical I have used high capacity RC car batteries in this case Overlander 7.4v 2S 5300 Lipos. These have worked well on our ARRMA cars which get drenched so should cope with this type of use well.
They are held in with a 3D printed latch, you just squeeze the red parts into the battery and it releases.

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I’ve mentioned before we are using CTU’s from Digitech and the twin turbine dashboards works well. To make use of the fuel telemetry the pump factor needs to be calibrated. After running fuel through each pump I then adjust the pump factor so the fuel remaining reads zero as the main tank starts to empty.

A short video shows the result… The pump factor settings are found in the CTU menu.

https://youtu.be/R0JRNt77mlU

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I normally only fill the fuel systems on my jets at a rate equivalent to full thrust, It can no doubt cope with more but this way I’m sure I won’t over pressure the tank.

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While Ive been working on this I have come up with a plan and designed some components that will allow us to easily assemble the fuselage halves and join the electrics easily and seal them from any water. The start of the process below.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Cary Bailey » September 17th, 2020, 1:36 pm

Alex, a magnificent project, technically brilliant and a far distance away from the TopFlite P-51 that you started to build not so many years ago!
Thanks to you I now cherish that P-51 along with the full size aircraft that I modelled it on and have flown both on many occasions!
I wish you every success and look forward to a world class maiden flight.
All the very best
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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 18th, 2020, 8:57 am

Hi Cary,

Thanks :) Good to hear from you and I'm so pleased the P51 is still going strong. I still love to build with wood and after this is finished I plan to treat myself to a traditional kit and build a large scale Tiger Moth for those lazy summer evenings!

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 18th, 2020, 8:58 am

Like the 3D printed splash proof boxes for the electronics I decided to go a similar route with the fuselage electrical split. I designed two 3D printed housings either side where I am able to push the female PowerBox servo connector into the housing for an engineered fit. These housings are SLS printed nylon which are then tumbled and died black.

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The rear section layout finished and tested.

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This moves us onto the forward section which has 3D printed housings that slide and seal into the aft section housing thereby protecting the connections. To allow room to connect the wires I have around 200mm of excess cable which slides back into the long forward housing as the two halves are joined.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Cary Bailey » September 18th, 2020, 3:06 pm

Alex Jones wrote:Hi Cary,

Thanks :) Good to hear from you and I'm so pleased the P51 is still going strong. I still love to build with wood and after this is finished I plan to treat myself to a traditional kit and build a large scale Tiger Moth for those lazy summer evenings!

Cheers, Alex

Hi Alex, the TopFlite P-51 is now in the USA at Tallulah MS alongside the full size P-51! I keep her there now to fly when I go over to fly in a warbird airshow. I also get to fly in the full size P-51. I have a few hours on the full size now but dual control only as I'm not there long enough to get fully trained, however I do fly "front seat" occasionally, so the thrill of handling the main controls whilst my friend and instructor sits in the back!!
Cary

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 22nd, 2020, 8:59 am

Hi Cary,

I do love the Mustang and it’s cool your able to fly one. :) If you could email me some pictures of the model that would be appreciated as I only have some of it in Primer before I sold her. Hope you get out to the US again when able…



The electrics in the forward section are run through 3D printed conduits that feed into the main box where the CB400 is mounted. There is another box on the bottom about 25mm deep that allows any excess wire to sit in, the bottom is capped with 2mm acrylic.

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I ran all the appropriate cables to the fuselage split ready to test each one individually, as mentioned earlier these are plugged in and the excess wire moves into the housing as the fuselage halves come together.

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Everything was connected up and tested for the first time with all 24 channels needed. We have a second transmitter that controls the pilots head, canopy actuation and locking so it has 30 channels in total.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Cary Bailey » September 22nd, 2020, 12:33 pm

[quote="Alex Jones"]Hi Cary,

I do love the Mustang and it’s cool your able to fly one. :) If you could email me some pictures of the model that would be appreciated as I only have some of it in Primer before I sold her. Hope you get out to the US again when able…


Alex, pics sent to your e-mail address.
Kind regards
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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 23rd, 2020, 8:33 am

Thanks Cary :)

I’ve been putting off doing the Pitot for ages as it was one of those jobs that had the potential to cause some damage if I got it wrong. I started by making a hole in the top of the vertical stabiliser which had to be exactly in line and 35mm deep to allow the pitot to have a snug push fit into the stabiliser. This took me a long time!

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Once complete I used aluminium tube which will form the base structure of the probe. With the whole made (Phew!) and a straight cut along the stabiliser to mount the probe I traced the outline scanned this into CAD and started making the fairing. This was printed using SLA allowing me to get a nice finish on the component. A Jeti Pitot is mounted in the end and everything bonded together, painted and I now have a push fit working scale Pitot.

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Just the end to paint silver to complete the scale look and being removable it stands less chance of being broken off.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 24th, 2020, 2:03 pm

Moving onto the beaching gear… This will be really important for us and was designed in partnership with PES Performance Ltd. This can work as a stand allowing us to test the oleo extensions/retraction retract the skis and run the engines while safely sat on the beaching gear. Then can be wheeled down a slipway into the water. It has hydraulic brakes when in the full 5 wheel version or get broken down to the scale beaching gear of the full-size had. The two versions can be seen in these computer renders.

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Re: Convair YF2Y-1 Sea Dart

Postby Alex Jones » September 24th, 2020, 2:03 pm

With the designs and drawings complete it’s just a matter of machining the components. These are all ready for hard anodising… (bar the SS stuff)

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