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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Peter Smedley » March 29th, 2020, 5:36 pm

:D Standard exhausts. :D
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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Tony Collins 1073 » March 29th, 2020, 5:48 pm

Have you checked for any restriction, everything has to be ruled out.

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Peter Smedley » March 29th, 2020, 7:03 pm

Come tomorrow I will check. Thanks
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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Tony Collins 1073 » March 29th, 2020, 11:24 pm

Hi Glenn. Yes I forgot about the old reed fart. I always made sure there was a real good one on my Weslake 342 engines. :D

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Peter Smedley » March 30th, 2020, 10:37 am

Morning
The exhaust are just empty tubes, so no reason to look any deeper.
Lapped the reed cage very lightly. There is a film of fuel sealing all around the edges
Turned over the engine slowly, no ppphhhrrrttt from the reeds

On taking the carb cover off to check the metering lever height, I don't recall that the grove in the diaphragm button was slid under the fork end of the metering lever


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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Tony Collins 1073 » March 30th, 2020, 11:46 am

Hi Pete. I have to repeat that any carb fault will show up on both cylinders not just one. Stop looking for something
that is ruled out by logic.
As far as the reeds are concerned, You must hold the block up to a light and any poor seating will show a light coming through. Check that the lift pressure for both sides feels the same. When checking for the reed noise when turning over
the engine the carb throttle must be open otherwise you may not hear it. The noise is caused by the reeds vibrating as they
try to open and then the reed strength causes them to close again. This is a bit like a reed driven musical instrument
which relies on suction at various levels to cause the vibrating reed to create a sound.
Therefore, no sound from reeds means insufficient suck at that oscillating sped.
I am not familiar with this particular engine but it would seem that reeds are operated through the crankcase together.
This would imply that one cylinder is not sucking as hard on the compression stroke as the other.
Please recheck your cylinder compressions again, separately with one plug removed each time and swing the prop.
You should be able to feel any difference.
After that Pete I am out of ideas.

Good luck.

PS. This would also rule out the faulty reed block theory.

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Glenn Masters » March 30th, 2020, 5:51 pm

I've just gone back to the beginning of the thread and an obvious question springs to mind about the fuel / oil quality and ratio may have a bearing . . . ? Is it running on top quality synthetic oil at 50:1 ratio ? I use sthil ultra oil at 50:1 for all my engines, even my Moki radial engine . . . its a cleaner burn, especially noticeable when idling for a prolonged period . . . . What are you currently using ?

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Peter Smedley » March 30th, 2020, 5:52 pm

Tony and other you’ve been very helpful, thanks.

32:1 oil ratio, with high grade Castrol 2t. I’ve used it since I’ve started running gas engines. I get my fuel from the local Texaco garage and not the supermarket

Started it up this afternoon. The problem has disappeared! I don’t know the fault which is annoying but it has now gone and the engine is starting and idling well. It’s not haphazardly dripping fuel so that’s good. Super strong slow idle

Crossed fingers and pray it doesn’t return. Thanks again :)

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Tony Collins 1073 » March 30th, 2020, 6:39 pm

Pete, every effect has a cause.....fact.

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Glenn Masters » March 30th, 2020, 11:06 pm

Tonya . . . that must be you Tony ! . . . and I must be therefore *other*. ah well, glad its running ok again now.

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Peter Smedley » April 3rd, 2020, 1:15 pm

FYI, changed prop from 26x12 to 28x10 and gave it another run. Starts easily, nice idle and after some needle fine tuning picks up well. Stock settings was 1 1/4 out from closed on high and low, ended up 1 1/4 high and 1 1/2 low.

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Tony Collins 1073 » April 3rd, 2020, 4:27 pm

So the big question is What Changed?????????? :?

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Peter Smedley » April 3rd, 2020, 5:02 pm

I relapped the reed cage a couple of days ago
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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby paul hughes » April 3rd, 2020, 10:01 pm

So it was the Reed block and it looks like that 'other' bloke diagnosed the problem. Well done GLENN. :)
It made me smile and reminded me of the photo of the 'other beech' ( in joke)

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Re: EME 120 twin problems

Postby Glenn Masters » April 4th, 2020, 10:40 pm

Ha Ha . . . The other Beech was indeed a classic ! Cheers


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